Originally Posted by JohnBurke

You've recently told us (and have told us on many occasions) that "my father. brother, grandfather and father in law are or were all pilots." Now you're telling us that none of them made their living as pilots...so they were what? Private pilots? You've thrown out the reference on numerous occasions, inferring that your family was one of professional aviators, and now we learn this has always been a lie.

We are not surprised, nor amused. We are unimpressed, but this is what you do, don't you? You tell lies.

Perhaps you tell them so often that you believe them, but clearly you tell them enough that you can't remember which ones you've told, because the inconsistencies are frequently revealed. Here again, we see that you've lied.



You elected to "start over," though when you say "in a different career," your idea of a career and other's ideas are not at all the same. You've often told us about your 20 year career, but recently we've shown that your numbers do NOT add up. You admitted that much of your professional pilot "career" years were times when you didn't even hold a commercial pilot certificate, let alone actually work as a pilot, and your story has been shown to have no credibility. Career? Start over? You never really started, and when you walked away, it was a choice. There was no ship with which to go down.

I've done a lot of things outside of aviation when necessary, either as supplementary income, my own ventures, temporary work, or as full time employment. The most common response from an employer, when interviewed, upon viewing my aviation experience and background? "You may be overqualified for this position. Are you sure you want to work here?" This without a degree.

What does experience as a professional aviator have to do with other work? Aside from a proven and vetted background that demonstrates a high degree of responsibility operating in a complex environment, handing multiple operations at once, and the entrustment by employers with the company image and liability in the operation of hundred-million dollar equipment with dozens or hundreds of lives dependent on every move? The ability to take on new, highly complex projects and to adapt to and understand systems and concepts in short periods of time; this isn't a desirable thing for an employer? We can add up our jobs sometime if you really want to play who's done the most in and out of aviation, but I know you haven't done much in aviation. I don't think you've looked that hard, or worked that much outside of aviation, either.

You're either lying (again), or have very little exposure to seeking employment outside of aviation, else you wouldn't be able to (honestly) say that "Once one becomes branded as a pilot they become unemployable in outside careers." Which is it, then? Inexperienced enough to be ignorant of just how untrue your statement is, or are you simply lying like you did about your family and your "career?"

It's important to show you in these lies, you see, because they're the basis of your claims and your missionary work as you struggle to convince prospective pilots that the career is not for them. It's important to understand that the basis of your claims, and what emerges is that clearly you have no leg upon which to stand. You're a con artist, though not a very good one; your mission is to con people out of their careers? Perhaps you get a laugh out of it, but your real currency is one of martyrdom.

Unflatteringly, some simply call it "attention *****," one who repeatedly tells the world his problems to garner sympathy. There's the root of your currency. It would be a lot easier to be sympathetic if it weren't all built on a lie.



Some of us have walked many such miles and know your lies.

Your home tow is "full of business owners who professional pilots," just like your entire family was made up of professional aviators who never actually worked as aviators? Now your world has a whole town of them, does it?

I know a lot of professional pilots who have their own businesses. I have a friend who's currently flying a 747 internationally; his passion is trucking and he owns a trucking business, and when he's not in the field flying, he can often be found in a truck, or managing the company. He loves to drive.

I have another friend who flies for a living, but also owns several aircraft that he employs doing advanced unusual attitude flight training and "combat simulation" games (in flight). He's passionate about that.

I have another friend who owns a landscaping company. He flies full time.

I have another friend who owns and maintains boat docks and slips and a marine business. He's a professional aviator, full time.

I have another friend who owns his own repair station maintaining general aviation aircraft.

A lot of professional aviators have interests outside aviation; some invest, some work, some own and operate, etc. Some leave aviation to maintain those companies, some do both. One who leaves aviation to operate this own company may do it for love of the company, or for the money, or for any number of other reasons; it's not a ringing indictment against aviation. Nor against the individual. It's a choice.

Or in your case, martyrdom.