Originally Posted by gzsg

Well Karnak here we are.

I have been saying for 3 an 1/2 years that we cannot staff 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases with all the retirements we have coming. You assured me that it was a walk in the park.

Where does the ignorant, arrogant we know it all leave us?

On the eve of gutting our PWA.

We all agree our execs are very talented. So how did we get here?

I can only imagine what concessions they are pressing for. We work so hard now the list is fairly short. Some has been leaked.

Another increase in the ALV.
An increase in the TLV.
Eliminate all seniority list instructors.
Bar first officers from bidding with line check captains.
More outsourced 76 seat jets.
Revisit CDOs
9 hours for 2 intl pilots
13 hours for 3 intl pilots

This is ALPA's biggest weakness. The lack of any planning. Never proactive. Always reacting to management's playbook.

Karnak I really want to hear what you think we should do. Pick your concessions. Or what does Sailing call them? Tradeoffs.

How many jobs should we give away? Who's job should we give away?

My pick is as posted above. Consequences. Hire flat out and green slips and green slips with conflict until they catch up.

Look no further than the demand for more 76 seat RJs. We make a insane concession in C2012 and what happens? They want more. What is the message?