And that's democracy. I have no idea by the way if they are surrender monkeys or not, and I don't think we Will know for sure until there is, or isn't a complete package to look at. Either way, there is no doubt there has been several hard line candidates in each of the last elections that have failed to get the votes. Why? Is the will of the Atlanta pilots in line with the reps? Do the "hard liners" not vote, or are they in lesser numbers than we are to believe? If they are truly the majority, then this is where I think the DPA has failed. Promoting candidates (and getting them elected) while soliciting cards would have been a much better strategy to enhance the careers of those they seek to represent. Think about C44 alone. If they were to own 44, we could go down exactly the negotiating path that many here champion... Instead, best case by being disengaged, they have possibly delayed the results they believe achievable by several years at least. A victory at the table by their hand picked ALPA reps would have been the best selling point yet and have been better for the group while we wait for a change in our bargaining agent.