Originally Posted by PilotCrusader

I think most envoy pilots see it different than you do:
Most envoy pilots voted no the first time thinking it would make a difference for the industry. They thought there was enough of a bond, enough leverage, that all of us would stand together. I think most were ready to make that ultimate job sacrifice if it was going to make a difference. Ultimately, we wrong. Very wrong. There is no unity among us, our national union didn't even want it(in fact they went behind the scenes to fight it).

When we voted yes this last year, to a much worse contract than we were initially offered, it was as a morally down trodden group. We stood up to the man and lost due to selfishness. "But we were gonna get shut down!" You cried. No one would have gotten shut down. In this time of pilot shortage, everyone would have found a home making the same or more very quickly. But yes, in the end we did get beaten. We didn't vote yes so much to survive as we did because our cause was not only worthless, but it actually backfired: we were now losing pilots to the very outfit that first created the disunity(and shut up about losing a few lousy planes to Mesa). In the end, voting yes has actually slowed the attrition to PSA. If that hurts your outfit, yes, I am glad. Ironic that now your MEC NEEDS to make a deal to take our pilots with the 700s and you see it as "helping" us poor envoy pilots.

In regards to the general attitude about PSA at envoy, I don't care what some envoy guys say to your face, PSA is generally a bad word around here. I was talking to my 2 year FO today about all this "go with the planes" stuff. Even though he already has a CRJ type rating and more experience than a lot of your 1 year wonders, and would make Captain in no time flat, he said we would never go to PSA; he has morals he stated. I hear that a lot from my young guys, and it makes me proud that perhaps at least they are growing up and learning what selfish acts do.