You are missing their point. It is not about the immediate tangible gains or losses that would be bestowed upon a Envoy horizontal transfer pilot. They are griping a larger concept which is basically the flawed model of seniority in the regionals given managements constant turmoil-by-design. The problem is that, and it pains me to say it, some of the Envoy pilots' sentiments here echo a sense of denial, fantasy, and nostalgia due to their collective memory of the way things used to operate when they had a monopoly on AAG flying, when in reality they are awakening late, to a new dawn where competition and whipsaw are, regrettably, very much alive. There is a difference between "supporting" and "accepting a reality." I would not go as far as to say that just because that is the way management wants to play it, resistance is futile, but while there are some regional common interests that can be achieved through unity and solidarity, these are limited by the current structure of the regionals and existence of fee for departure carriers, and will be impossible to change without drastic overhauls of the regional union buildup and its relation to mainline representation.

I hear that plea from the pilot quoted from the lounge and agree whole heartedly, but I ask him and others if their current plan of inaction associated with their disdain towards management and desire to see the AAG empire crumble down are in-fact pragmatic or even realistic. The entire PSA-Envoy dispute hangs on this exact thread - a little more than half of the original PSA pilot group, reluctantly accepted a reality after two prior no votes that both yielded damaging results; a little more than half the Envoy group (in the first vote), were not willing to accept this reality - I salute them though I do not know if I would have done the same in their shoes. It was essentially a poker "check" that management returned with a raise and not as some portray it here, a willingness to fall on their swords for the greater good. This was proven by the the eventual and highly pragmatic yes vote.