Originally Posted by
Herkflyr
"Dude"...I have been here 18+ years and only ONCE have I seen a captain yell at rampers so loudly that it could be heard by the pax (and it was truly inappropriate, etc).
Never once have I seen a captain making fun of pax to their face.
While I have seen a couple of captains (appropriately) calling out FAs for poor performance, never once have I seen one "talk down" to them in an obnoxious, arrogant manner.
It seems to me that perhaps you ought to look a little closer in the mirror and ask yourself if you are looking in all the wrong places for people with "issues" or if the issues are creations of your own imagination.
No, they're here. I've seen it too. And it isn't his imagination.
There is one A on the 717 that lost it on a ramper on his first trip off oe and first leg. Ramper I believe got off the tug. FO has been telling the story to a lot of people but not sure the base.
But I flew with a few guys on the 88 that yelled at rampers and we're rough on the FAs. Just picking fights all of the time with everyone.
in fact I'll be honest, I saw more than a few with very lousy social and flight ops behavior on ATL88A in 5 years on it. and ive never saw anything remotely like it on the ER or 717.
And I hear it from many many ATL88Bs. Emphasize many. Some think it's 10%, others say 40%, and all of them are good people so they're not the common denominator. Id say 20-25% is a fair number. I've always thought that the reason for that was it was the junior plane in atlanta and attracted those upgrade asap types where you have a larger percentage of world revolves around me personalities.
But what I tell atl88 newbies who talk to me about it is that when you fly with a good 88 captain, that's what is normal and indicative of the rest of the airline.
I hear stories from As about miserable Bs too, and you realize they're going to one day be As and drive everyone nuts.
Funny thing is I flew with a 717A that made me miserable only to find out from another 717A that that particular bad apple drove every captain nuts on their previous plane.
It's a people thing, not a captain or FO thing, it's just inevitable with 12000 pilots some are going to be miserable to be around and for some reason some airplanes are accumulators for those kinds of people.
I mean if that wasn't the case then I guess they could remove the avoid employee # on pbs.