Originally Posted by
Ar Pilot
So weird seeing the tides turn and everyone trying to put a positive spin on envoy to get recruits.
The vibe on eaglelounge during all the TAs and negotiation was ****** the company, they're lying POS. The flow has never worked. We're not giving up our pay scales for the flow because they'll just violate it anyways.
Now all of a sudden the flow is absolutely set in stone. I have several friends from the 4-10 year mark at envoy who don't believe any of it. Some are "2 years away from flow" and they laugh when I bring it up. Hard to imagine being a 4 year FO still on RSV to flowing to AA in the next 3-4 years. And like I said previously, they'd have already had to start upgrading everyone in sight to keep up with the projections cujo is making. It's about to be 6 more months of stagnation and backwards movement at envoy before anything starts to slowly turn around with 175 arrivals. And don't forget not only is envoy losing 47 CRJs, they're also giving 145s to XJT and TSA and parking the remainder of their 140s (if they haven't put them all in the desert yet).
There is a reason envoy isn't hiring in droves. They still have to shrink by a considerable amount of pilots. Movement will be good for the top couple hundred guys that flow, but anyone who is a junior captain on down will only see stagnation as fewer captain seats are available (airplanes leaving).
How many fewer lines (aka longer RSV) are in the DFW bid packet this month?
Last projection I was told was something like 1100 pilots for 110 aircraft (give or take, I can't recall the exact number). I hear they still have 2000 pilots. That's in the area of 900 pilots they need to trim. Even with a flow, I can't see how that bodes well for 35 captains a month starting next month (is the bid out ?) or perhaps 60 a month in the last four months or 130 a month in November and December. Eventually, Envoy will get down to whatever their target number is and if it were indeed 1100 pilots, that's 550 captains, at least 300 of which (most of the lineholders) would be 18 year scale pilots.
Parker's entire position regarding Envoy thus far is about gutting it because of its uncompetitive costs and now he's going to coddle a carrier that is filled with 18 year captains in the future ?
I don't buy that. He has no reason to do that and it would fly directly opposite to his stated intentions with his regional feed network.