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Old 05-21-2015 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Sorry it took you so long to flow.

Do you dispute that since the flow restarted in 2010, it HAS worked exactly as they said it would. Actually, it's worked better than promised, and we sent 66% instead of 50% recently.

do you dispute that?
Actually, yes.

What really WAS promised and when ?

You're throwing too many unrelated and incorrect ingredients into your crow stew in an attempt to lure new customers to the Envoy café.

First of all, there are variables that are sometimes present and sometimes not. The first variable is that the "flow" between 2010 and sometime in later 2012 IIRC, was moving the original Letter 3 pilots over to AA. The first "promise" was that they didn't know when these pilots would actually flow, but had to make an irrevocable decision anyway. Turns out 30 or so flowed very quickly in Summer 2010, then none flowed for about 6 months. It was then fairly steady throughout 2011 and through most of 2012. There WAS no promises made to these pilots other then they were then REQUIRED to flow at SOME point in the future and it's inaccurate to lump these pilots (including me) into the mix regarding the present situation that bears little resemblance to then.

Since then, the parent exercised chapter 11 to dump debt and gut union contracts (in the middle of this movement of pilots to AA), your airlines name was changed, multiple domiciles have closed, multiple concessionary agreements have been adopted by Envoy ALPA, a TRUE, REAL pilot regional shortage has developed (which didn't exist yet at that time) and is only slated to intensify. So far, the 824 flow (your flow) has had several hiccups and gaps to accommodate unplanned (?) situations like the return or AA furloughees, etc.

Promises ?

Answer this regarding your claim of all promises met; Isn't the present agreement required to transfer pilots to EVERY AA class and EVERY month ?

Has that been met, or are they falling behind that to instead meet an aggregate (annual) count as opposed to strict agreement intentions ?

I've heard A LOT of complaints from Envoy pilots the flow isn't working exactly as intended, but how best works for AAG and Envoy. What happens next year of 50-300 AA furloughs return ? Will YOUR promises of a steady flow be met ? What if AA reduces capacity like some analysts are predicting (unlike the other two mega-mergers AA has YET to streamline their ops, but the merger is uncompleted) ? The next several years retirement numbers are NOT that huge (it gets significant later in the decade). Perhaps the biggest variable to your certainty of Envoy's ability to provide a unicorn to all present and future pilots to ride to the rainbows of upgrade and then AA is the ability to reel in 50 pilots each and every month really starting NEXT MONTH if they can really get a training bubble to start mass upgrades and steady, continuous flow (which ISN'T happening like the gaps that have happened and will likely happen in the future).

Who can promise THAT ?

Personally, I think your promising checks to pilots that likely will bounce considering all the variables and differences in what occurred between 2010 and late 2012 and 2013 and the future.
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