keep it simple as of now the company really has no need for concessions. However in the future, as retirement stoke up, Double pay is going to be an issue.

What affects the chances of green slips happening? LCP bidding, calling in sick, trips touching, vacation, no recovery obligation, etc.

What's the company asking for? all the above and possibly any means to cut down training to cut down staffing via pay banding and seat locks. Which in turn cuts down double pay, etc., in the future.

Although these concessions are not needed now, they will be in the future. So the company is thinking two steps ahead. Pilots, well you know...thinking in the here and now.

To beat a concessionary TA, don't focus on the MEC, etc. Just focus on the TA. Prove that keeping the current PS and using the retirements will help us. Get some statistics to show and make the case. Only reason harwood looks smart is because nobody showed up with any comparative statistics from a different view point. Einstein a genius, yup, .....harwood...definately not...just a man with statistics to support one point of view. Statistics only matter in which the context they are applied. Time value of money does not take a genius to prove. Prove the relevance of time value of money as compare to how many green slips that can happen due to a pilot shortage and an fantastic PS pay check. It is hard to beat green slip with a raise.

Our negotiating hammers are PS and future retirements. Why give them up at all until one of them erodes? Sometimes a contract that we have can be better than the one we will get.