By your posts you think the reps are a) lying AND b) getting paid off. I sure hope the answer to both is no. Can you can prove any of this or the truth of any of the rumors APCers are obsessing over? I doubt it. APC Forums are anonymous discussions/commentary. No one is taking a lie detector test. Lots of the stuff posted here is flat wrong. Some math errors are so gross its silly. So far this "Contract Season" I'm not seeing much of any use. At least that much is consistent. That and the usual stirring up of (and by) the usual suspects. I'm looking for a great contract. I don't expect to "concede" much. "Tradeoffs" and "changes" will occur. Sorry, but they are inevitable. When we get an actual TA we can judge if the quid pro is worth the quo. Till then this Forum is full of rumors. Do you want REAL information? My neighbor invited us over for barbecue. The boy can cook. That is FACTUAL and what I call REAL! Later. Or maybe not... OFG