Those guys are called Debbie's boys because Debbie Mcoy furloughed them to make a name for herself. They were back well before Oct. 2005 (3 years). We were hiring off the street in Early 2005. Debbie's boys were back very soon after Larry took over from Gordon. One of the first things Larry did was fire Debbie McCoy (she was a scab) because she had cut the pilots too far and could not cover some contracts that we then lost.