I said it once and I will say it again. I thought we were specifically discussing the time frame of the 1400 L UAL furloughees who were still out of a job when the merger was announced and completed at CAL/UAL. So, if you want to maintain that, that's fine. But, every single furloughee who ever was furloughed at L CAL was recalled and fully gainfully employed. You do get that right. you do get that 1400 pilots who had no job, many of whom jumped in front of people who were employed.

Re-focus on that for a minute. The above point is 100 percent correct right?

Were there previous furloughs at L CAL? Yes. And those two furloughs were limited and all back to work. In some cases they were back to work ten years.

Were all furloughees from CAL, regardless of time frame back on property and gainfully employed by CAL? Yes.

Were the 147 Hostages back to work? Yes

Were the DC10 and B727 Engineer Elimination reduction bids all done yes?

I understood the conversation to be focused on the 1400 L UAL pilots looking through the glass on the outside and looking in. That much is very clear from the person who started this. So, how is it possible that these 1400 people can be so disenfranchised to jump in front of pilots who were never furloughed. And, by the way, I am one of those pilots who were never furloughed, so I can speak with a certain degree of authority on the subject. So, if any of these 1400 pilots jumped in front of me (and many did), then I too was affected by the ALPA tool box. You calling me a liar? I know I wasn't furloughed, and I know my position on the seniority list. So, stuff it.