Originally Posted by
eaglefly
Don't forget, only about 330 or so of those 481 are part of the present flow-through. The previous were part of a different flow-through that mostly occurred prior to Chapter 11 and new management and since AAG is PRESENTLY hiring, Envoy is legally required to comply with an arbitration award for another 475-500 pilots. After that, the provisions are as a result of a contractual agreement between the parties as opposed to an arbitrators award and there is no specific number of pilots. As such, the future flow-through mechanism is at far more risk to significant alteration.
Both the 824 and the protected pilots(I) are the result of the grievance process. There are specific numbers. Every pilot on the seniority list after the 824 flow to and including all pilots hired before 10-11-2011.
Neither is any better than the other, nor any worse.
You're also stuck comparing apples to oranges. AMR used to use any opportunity to slow the flow. AAG has done the exact opposite; they stopped ALL street hiring in order to flow more of our guys. AMR would never have done that; and in fact the AA HR managers were P.O.'d when the order was given to stop street hires... AAG told them too bad, stop street hires. The old AMR would never have done that....
and, you know it !!
Originally Posted by
eaglefly
Additionally, there is no guarantee that AA retirements will equal a like number of vacant slots. The PBS scheduling system requires perhaps 10-15% less pilots once implemented (late 2016) and fleet reductions are in progress (30-35 less aircraft this year alone). Any increase in flying at AA, especially post 2016 (which would impact the future flow "protected pilot agreement") is likely to simply be absorbed by more block hours flown by present pilots combined with more efficient scheduling, at least to a significant degree. For example, this year I'm slated to fly 850 hours, but in pervious years it was closer to 550. Therefore, trumpeting a "retirement driven" flow is EXTREMELY assumptive and VERY optimistic considering Parker's knack for ringing out the staffing/flying dishrag until dry.
I think that claim SOUNDS good, but doesn't hold water at this point.
Retirements are not going to be equal, it never will be. Theres six times as many mainline pilots than at Envoy. Doesn't matter if they use PBS or any other staffing reduction tool. There is sufficient hiring that our current list flows within 6 years at a rate of 50% of each new hire. 3,700 AA pilots retire between now and 2021. 50% of those new hire slots go to Envoy pilots. With only about 1850 that will flow thru, our whole list is gone by 2021. It's just math.
It sucks you got trapped and screwed over; but this current generation of pilots is going to make out like bandits compared to what you went through.
I am no fan of AAG. I don't like how they treat their employees. However, like it or not, this plan of theirs is likely going to work exactly as they're saying.