Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

It was interesting what rumors came true and didn't.. pay banding (well the 350 pays the same as the whale that it's replacing as it should), green slip gone, and a lot of the other stuff didn't make it. Sick leave was in there, and the pay rates with traded PS were pretty dang close.

It was cool seeing all the APC types there today!

I went into this with fairly low expectations. They didn't disappoint me in that regard. Ideally, I want to be able to vote yes for an early deal.

Likes:
--Pay is... ok. It's another base hit, nothing more, and I don't mind the logic in trading profit sharing. (It's an airline, for petes sake... we're in the business of not making profit)
--Scope improvements- further locking in more mainline flying (despite allowing up to 25 more 76 seaters), tightened JV compliance window, and I agree with keeping VA out of the trans-atlantic metric, Republic carveout gone
--Individual vacation days
--Improved fragmentation language
--Hotels for newhires

Meh:
--Sick leave.... nothing good, nothing really worse than we have now.

Dislikes:
--TATL JV metric changed from equivalent seat kms to pilot block hours. That is a BIG deal- that means AF can add A380s on routes and that is considered the same as a 757 (or A321 in the future). With ESKs if they dropped an A380 onto a route, that was 2 767s that we had to add. The illustrious Bucking Bar tried to explain how this wasn't a bad thing, but it never hit home with me.
--Seattle STILL not a hub....
--TLV (transitive line value) max adjusted from 80 hours to 81 hours. Bye bye 100+ pilot jobs with that one.
--And this one may be the deal breaker for me: LCA trip buyoffs for OE. Up to 75% of trips that LCAs bid for will be pulled out of the FO's pot for bidding. That is a complete abrogation of seniority and totally screws up any FO bids of any seniority.

Take out the LCA thing and I'm probably a yes vote... I'm really having a hard time getting over that, though. That to me is something it may be worth it to send it back through the spin cycle another time.

Oh, and SharpestTool is taking a few days of vacation to see if he can play more nicely. If not, he can go the way of Lumberg.