Originally Posted by gloopy

OK so what block hour percentage are we currently flying in the AF/KLM JV right now?

51

Because we are supposed to be flying 50% already, although we got rolled when we allowed 50% to be defined as 48.5%.

Those are the EASKs.

Where does the 67% block hour number come from then? Even if thats with VA added in, the split with VA would have to be enormous (and in our favor) to put the entire trans Atlantic at that number.

OK. I think this is where people get confused. We have 67% because that includes the Delta UK flying. AF/KLM doesn't fly London to the US. That's why our share seems to be overstated. Don't ask me why, but "Bundle 1" in the AF/KLM JV agreement included Delta flights to the UK.

Right now we currently fly 67% block hours and that is beause of the EASK measurement methodology.

That's correct, But since the last AF/KLM JV we now have a Virgin Atlantic deal as well. The new language takes London out of the formula for AF/KLM. It has been overcome by events since the purchase of Virgin Atlantic and our deal with them.

If we abandon EASK and only go for a pernamant 49/51 reset (in management's favor, once again…WTH by the way?) then how low can our 67% go, including AF/KLM and VA total?

They didn't give that number because Paris and Amsterdam are now completely separated from London. Two different deals. The 67 is now not really relevant. That makes sense. I understand why they did it.

Your point is well taken though. If we did calculate the number, it would be lower. We have given management yet another pretty large scope concession.