Now at least somebody is being honest about this. Look, I am not defending this thing, but this blanket BS about it not being followed is simply unprovable as the whole. It is merely a starting point, and I am sure they tried to get as much as they could. One of the former negotiators told me once that I would have been amazed to see how low the aggregate pay increase desires were in the previous surveys. Can I prove that? Nope. I know what he told me, and that's good enough for me, because I have known him a long time and he wouldn't lie to me about that. I didn't want PS touched on THIS contract, in section 6. It obviously doesn't reflect that desire. That doesn't mean there aren't 6000 guys that didn't put down they were willing to accept a trade to hard rates. I even get the logic of it, I just happen to believe that the business "DAL" is going to be doing well for some time to come, and that PS was going to be "safe" for at least this contract. So just because it doesn't reflect your desires or my desires doesn't mean it wasn't followed or that some hard decisions weren't made in the negotiations room. So all you guys that are so unhappy with this thing, vote no. That's fine. I am probably leaning that way, but I still need more information on some things.