Originally Posted by
Cabs
I've been lurking and can't keep out of this any longer. The talk is that pay is the only good thing in this TA? IMO, the pay is average at best and also dangerous in the B scale it presents on the E190. DALPA is promoting how the E190 will be 3.5% above JB in 2016 and 9.8% above JB in 2018. How about a comparison of JB and DL rates on the 320? On the 320, we will be 19.8% higher than JB in 2016 and 26.6% higher than JB in 2018! In my book, that adds up to an epic fail on the E190 rates. As it stands now, no one senior to 10,500 will have any interest in the E190. If the E190 rate was 19.8% higher than JB in 2016, the DL rate would be $218. At that rate, it would sit just below the 717 rate and be a real advance in pay over a FO position.
To me, the presentation by DALPA about E190 pay is just another example of an incomplete truth. I don't see how anyone can defend the E190 pay. It may be of no significance to many, but if the rates were paid in the same ratio to JB pay as the 320, I bet the E190 would get interest from seniority 6000 and below. A plane with interest from half the seniority list is a real gain. As it stands, we will certify a B scale that later could be used to establish 320 pay.
We need to organize and stop this now! No, no no.
You make a good point comparing JB 320 and JB 190 to us.
Now would I take lower pay on the Section 3 to get the E175 here? Yes. But only if God came down from Heaven, looked at our books and said, absolutely, the only way to make E175s at DAL viable is to pay that much. Then I'll go with it.
The E190 is already ours. It should be paying higher as you said. The rates are rather unappetizing shall we say. But it's not going to get much attention until it's out there and we're not only living with it but we're pulling the DC9 in LAX and replacing it with E190s and E190 pay. That won't be popular with anyone except those with SJS.