Originally Posted by
sublime259
Nobody wants any more scope relaxation, but the way you are promoting it is through the destruction of envoy, a company you once worked for.
The belief that present and future Envoy pilots should have a more realistic view of Envoy's future as opposed to believing "projections" based on the most optimistic assumptions and falling for CLEAR sales pitches and implied promises by questionable characters with dubious motives equates to "destroying" Envoy ?
Only someone of the exact description above would believe that.
Originally Posted by
sublime259
I'm calling BS on your advise because you consistently provide false information in regards to our contract and arbitrated agreements/awards. I've got news for you, if we didn't have the flow, envoy would have folded long ago. Fortunately, we do have a path to mainline, a path which you took yet somehow believe it to be a mythical carrot for anyone else.
I'M providing false information ?
The "Protected Pilot Agreement" (the flow for the majority of current Envoy pilots and ALL future ones) is bulletproof ?
Please.
Hey, call as much B.S. as you want as that's your right, but I plan to call an equal amount of B.S on yours, others and especially Cujo's fluffed up claims. Yes, at present there IS a "path" to mainline and I've never disputed that. What I have disputed is the guarantee that the future flow at Envoy will assure anyone of anything and I should know. MY flow was promised and "projected" at 2 years and took over a decade and that flow was FAR more "bulletproof" then the PPA and you know what ?
Even with that, some tried to nullify it at the last minute. In fact, for perhaps 150 pilots or so, they did !
Originally Posted by
sublime259
The only reason why I can see why you are trying to keep people from coming to envoy is because you are bitter at your former employer and will do everything in your power (over the internet of course) to paint it in a bad light.
Well, I can see why your beliefs about my motivations are so far out of whack. You're clearly in the throes of rage. I don't want to keep people from coming to Envoy and I have posted that in the past here (but those foaming at the jowls with rage don't remember those things). In the past, I have said that if a pilot wants to go to Envoy (or any other regional), it should be for the RIGHT reasons like reputation, stability, treatment, advancement and domicile, NOT projections and hypotheticals that can (and HAVE) been diluted or disappeared in the past.
I paint Envoy ACCURATELY and with no "spin" exactly BECAUSE I have no motivations. You (and others) on the other hand DO want spin because you have motivations (your own greased ride). AFAIC, what's occurring now in regard to this at Envoy by certain pilots there is essentially a Pyramid scheme whose success for the top tiers depends on the successful attraction of pilots willing to become a lower tier for them and so on.......Hey, if a pilot is willing to sign on at Envoy for projections and hypotheticals and risk that, fine, but they should have that knowledge and accept that risk knowing that.
Originally Posted by
sublime259
I don't care if someone comes here one way or the other, because it's not for everyone. However, if you live in commuting distance to either Dallas or Chicago and want to fly for one of the big 3 then it's a very good option. You still fail to see that and think that 1000 TPIC after 2-3 years at a regional is a guaranteed ticket to the legacies.
I agree if a pilot WANTS to fly for Envoy for specific reasons, they should apply, but those reasons should be tangible, not assumptive or hypothetical.....at least unless they choose to do so knowing and accepting the risks. BTW, exactly what is "commuting distance" to those hubs ? That would seem to be just about anywhere and the desire to "commute" doesn't seem like something high on anyone's list of regionals. 121 turbine PIC (whatever amount) is something TANGIBLE a pilot can market themselves with as opposed to a flow-through that may or may not materialize at any given point in the future. Is it a guearantee of anything ?
Of course not, but unlike the claims of you or others regarding Envoy's flow, I'm not representing that as such, only noting that it IS something tangible and has value vs. some projection by another company. If a presently potential Envoy pilot goes to interview in the future elsewhere should the "projection" of Envoy's flow not materialize for many such new-hire junior Envoy pilots, will their interviewers care if that applicant has a flow-through promise to AA ?
No, THAT has no value. They WILL care that the applicant has 121 PIC experience, though. Especially one of the "big 3".
Originally Posted by
sublime259
Which brings me to another question...obviously you exercised your option to flow at some point, so why didn't you go to AA, Delta, United, FedEx, or UPS when you reached that 1000 TPIC milestone?
Because at that point in the history of the industry (something which you REALLY need to research my friend to avoid galactic disappointment in the future), there WERE no major airline positions to even interview for. They all had pilots on furlough, BUT I was making captains pay at a regional when the "music stopped" and that music has stopped for various reason multiple times in the last 15-20 years. If the music stops in the future, would a pilot best pe served by an uncashed promise or tangible things like 121 PIC time and regionals captains pay ? I think you really need to come down from whatever fantasy utopia Envoy management and their union spin-masters have blown into your pumpkin and become a better student of the history of this profession.
The lollipop's they keep offering and you keep licking will eventually run out. The history of this industry and profession, not to mention the history of Eagle/Envoy PROVES that without question.