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Old 06-15-2015 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Moondog
So what is it that makes you a Yes voter? Just curious as what actually tipped the scale for you, when you weigh out all the factors.
Originally Posted by bluto13
Could you share your rationale as a yes voter? I'm truly attempting to glean what about this TA is good enough to trump the negatives. Is it just the immediate 8% or fear of being in long term negotiations. Or something I'm just not seeing. Not being facetious, would like to know. thanks for your input.
Sure I'll share why I'm voting yes.

I'm voting yes because I find the overall package entirely reasonable for a short 3 year deal. It provides an industry leading compensation package AND guaranteed mainline growth. As I understand it the fabled contract 2000 had nice shiny pay rates but threw the Delta Express guys under the bus and unleashed a ton of RJs. On the other hand, this contract provides excellent compensation while growing mainline. 50 E190s will provide at least 500 mainline jobs at the best 190 pay rates in the world for a unionized airline. C2012 E190 rates are very very bad. Definite B scale. Also the notion that the E190 will replace the MD88 a wild guess and highly unlikely.

As far as profit sharing, at the end of the day they can cut the pie however they want to. As long as my compensation is more than before, I'm happy. To me, ending up with less compensation just because you're so obsessed with profit sharing is silly. It's simple math. A+B=C. Worry if what's after the equal sign. If it's bigger, mission accomplished. C2015 has a compensation package that can cannot mathematically be exceeded by C2012 in any regard.

Sick policy. I'm completely fine with the new rule. I don't call in sick unless I'm actually sick so no problem there. If I somehow exceed a threshold I have no problem getting a doctors note or them opening up my medical records to that particular sick call. The notion that the company will will have access to your entire medical history is false. Another internet rumor that's running wild.

LCA. Worst concession of the contract. I'll let them have it due to the increased pay and mainline growth. With A321, A330, 737-900, and E190 in 2016, then A350 in 2017. The movement will be epic and unprecedented. I believe it's entirely reasonable to give the company some relief here. Greenslips will still flow. United has a similar LCA deal and there is plenty of premium pay there. The reduction of manning by this concession is more than offset by increase of 500 mainline jobs on the 190.

JV. Very very complex language. Im waiting for the roadshow. It needs further explanation. Especially since VA is carved out and Alitalia is leaving. Since pilots are paid by the block hour and not be EASKs, it is a simpler metric to determine jobs. The internet exaggerations of widebody job losses due to 757s or 737-900ers being sent across the Atlantic make no economic sense whatsoever. Especially with A330s replacing the ERs. The union listed it as a gain for the pilots so I'd like to hear the reasons complete with graphs and charts.


Lastly, I have believe MD and the Negotiators when they say there no room left for gains. Sure we might get another TA quick but it definitely won't be better than this one. Judging by the history of this management team I think it's true. Ask Alaska management!
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