Originally Posted by Trip7

Sure I'll share why I'm voting yes.

I'm voting yes because I find the overall package entirely reasonable for a short 3 year deal. It provides an industry leading compensation package AND guaranteed mainline growth. As I understand it the fabled contract 2000 had nice shiny pay rates but threw the Delta Express guys under the bus and unleashed a ton of RJs. On the other hand, this contract provides excellent compensation while growing mainline. 50 E190s will provide at least 500 mainline jobs at the best 190 pay rates in the world for a unionized airline. C2012 E190 rates are very very bad. Definite B scale. Also the notion that the E190 will replace the MD88 a wild guess and highly unlikely.

As far as profit sharing, at the end of the day they can cut the pie however they want to. As long as my compensation is more than before, I'm happy. To me, ending up with less compensation just because you're so obsessed with profit sharing is silly. It's simple math. A+B=C. Worry if what's after the equal sign. If it's bigger, mission accomplished. C2015 has a compensation package that can cannot mathematically be exceeded by C2012 in any regard.

The reduction in Profit sharing reduces the raise to barely keeping up with inflation. Not really a raise in my book.. That would be inflation+. You are right they can slice the pie however they want but my piece should be bigger than this offer, especially when the company is making 5B+. This TA barely adds to my bottom line at all and its certainly not worth the gives we are being asked to give.

Sick policy. I'm completely fine with the new rule. I don't call in sick unless I'm actually sick so no problem there. If I somehow exceed a threshold I have no problem getting a doctors note or them opening up my medical records to that particular sick call. The notion that the company will will have access to your entire medical history is false. Another internet rumor that's running wild.

I only call in sick when I am truly sick as well. The wording of this TA appears to allow DHS a huge look into my personal records that should be between my DR. and myself. If there are people who are abusing the policy, punish them, not all the seniority list. They know who they are.

LCA. Worst concession of the contract. I'll let them have it due to the increased pay and mainline growth. With A321, A330, 737-900, and E190 in 2016, then A350 in 2017. The movement will be epic and unprecedented. I believe it's entirely reasonable to give the company some relief here. Greenslips will still flow. United has a similar LCA deal and there is plenty of premium pay there. The reduction of manning by this concession is more than offset by increase of 500 mainline jobs on the 190.

This concession (and why are we even talking about concessions in this environment is beyond me!) is absolutely the worst and most poorly written in this TA. I disagree that GS will continue to flow at the current rate, the number of pilots required will not be offset by the 190 plus up. It will be more than offset resulting in less pilots required. One new fleet will not cover the remaining fleets. This alone should be a no go for any FO.

JV. Very very complex language. Im waiting for the roadshow. It needs further explanation. Especially since VA is carved out and Alitalia is leaving. Since pilots are paid by the block hour and not be EASKs, it is a simpler metric to determine jobs. The internet exaggerations of widebody job losses due to 757s or 737-900ers being sent across the Atlantic make no economic sense whatsoever. Especially with A330s replacing the ERs. The union listed it as a gain for the pilots so I'd like to hear the reasons complete with graphs and charts.

As far as JV goes, ya got me. I have heard both sides and it still confuses me. I do understand that if wide body jets go away it certainly diminishes a lot of upward mobility/career enhancement.


Lastly, I have believe MD and the Negotiators when they say there no room left for gains. Sure we might get another TA quick but it definitely won't be better than this one. Judging by the history of this management team I think it's true. Ask Alaska management!