No training contract, paying a $20,000/year bonus (pro rated for newhires) Upgrade is, and will be, a debacle thanks to the "Bloch award" for about one more year, then it's strictly seniority list (that is also a Bloch debacle, but we are stuck with it) as for a new hire upgrading, we've got about 200 waiting on class dates at Delta, and they seem to be grabbing a lot more of our FO's than they wanted of our captains for some reason. That's great for FO's with a job, but means the captain side is going to become ever more stagnant because there are many that simply are riding this place til retirement, several more that Delta shot down and are now joining that group, and several more than now have to wait around for United or American (and American isn't taking much outside the military and its own regionals) The good news is many of the current FO's being told no by Delta will soon upgrade, the unknown is for the new hires... will they get interviews, will Delta wake up and start acting like American with its regionals. or will the top get choked with "undesirables" and captain seats become clogged. Who knows