Wow, breaking one post into 2 to respond separately. I am flattered.

Your disciples are shouting down those that don't agree with their POV Carl. I know you don't see it because you are too close to it, and again I don't care, but it really dilutes valid argument. Like I said, have at it if it makes you feel better, but I find the constant referral to FPL (for one) as extremely boring and irrelevant. If you are as unemotional and logical as you proclaim you are you would stop the childish behavior and simply state facts, but you don't do that either. Again, do as you wish. You don't change minds with that tack though.