Originally Posted by
NVUS
Maybe with UA buying these 10 aircraft, Inc. gets the rate they want for XJT to fly them and UA gets the shorter length term. You see, I'm actually pulling for you guys to get your foot in the door. Not always chugging that Kool-Aid.
But anyways, just because UA bought them, doesn't automatically mean these are destined for Mesa. They could be going to TSA or Compass just as easily.
Theoretically possible. Must be some left over kool aid or something.
Originally Posted by
Squallrider
They would need a lot more than 10 planes to justify starting a program etc etc. I don't see xjt getting 175s, why wouldn't inc not just give it to Skywest since we have the program etc and the sims
Unless the other 18 are also destined to a regional that doesn't already have a 175.
Originally Posted by
Squallrider
Doesn't matter what mainline wants, Inc is saying they cost too much and they have been losing money for forever. Xjt says its incs fault, I don't believe it they lost money before Skywest bought them and the contracts with the pilots in particular are not sustainable in the regional market as it stands today. Inc has for all intents and purposes given up on the "renegotiate with mainline" policy because mainline isn't playing ball.
And management wrote a memo last week saying they will deliver a contract proposal with better pay and work rules for everyone. So I guess it's going to be max pay to the end!
By the way, the cal CPA did make money until inc whipsawed Skywest pilots agains xjt. After that, the Skywest negotiated CPA that xjt got stuck with has lost money thanks to their superior strategic planning.
Originally Posted by
Squallrider
Actually it doesn't say United is necessarily buying the aircraft, it said "we, or one of our partners will convert to firm orders"...Skywest is the only company to my knowledge that has firm orders and are also a united express partner.
Here it is:
"We announced we will add 10 Embraer E175 aircraft to the United Express fleet, offering more customers greater comfort and convenience during their inflight experience. We, or one of our express partners, expect to convert 18 more E175 aircraft to firm orders in the near term.
We anticipate deliveries of the aircraft will begin next year and continue through the summer of 2017. The new aircraft will replace older, less-efficient 50-seat regional jets and are in addition to the 125 E175s whose deliveries began in 2014.
"Our customers tell us that they are thrilled with these modern, fuel-efficient aircraft," said Fleet VP Ron Baur. "The E175s are a great addition to the regional fleet and further align the United Express inflight experience with our mainline service."
The E175s will offer 12 seats in United First and 64 seats in United Economy, including 16 extra-legroom United Economy Plus seats. The aircraft also offer more personal space for customers, with wider seats and aisles than other regional aircraft; a power outlet at each United First seat; and large overhead bins that can accommodate standard-size carry-on bags.
Hmmm, I guess I read that to mean that UAL (pretty sure that also had options) converted 10 of their options to firm orders with a possibility of them or someone else (Skywest) converting 18 of their options as well. Time will tell.