Originally Posted by
ERflyer
I think you're obfuscated the subject and what I wrote is quite clear. We're not discussing C2012 which was sucessful. The facts are laid out plainly:
• Worst case: If TA applied to June 2015 bid package, 302 out of 17363 FO Rotations would be eligible for withdrawal under TA-that’s 1.7% of rotations
• Worst case: Under TA, of 6251 first officers at Delta, additional 67 would be awarded a reserve line using 2015 June bid package
To believe that LCA OE trip pulls will have a huge negative impact on green slips is a misinterpretation of the impact. From the above numbers 67 FO's would be awarded reserve lines. If we are hiring 135 pilots a month what do you think will have a higher impact on staffing and affect green slips the most?
There are 302 trips pulled if applied for June, worst case. 302 less green slips as 6,251 FO's ALL get a 21.5% increase in pay rates. Just in one category NYC 7ERB there were 102 double pay trips for the week of June 21. One category, one seat, one base, one week compared to 302 trip pulls for the whole system for a month!
LCA OE trip pulls are a drop in the bucket of the FO green slip sea.
How many more LCAs will be needed in the future? There are two new types coming at both ends of the pay scale. (A350, E190) Broadening the fleet without banding will only create more need for training. Each new hire has a corresponding captain upgrade. The retirement bubble hasn't even hit yet but when it does 500-800 retirements a year for 5 or more years in a row.
Sorry I'm not buying the little to no impact. A single month historical example, if accurate is insufficient. How much sim training are we doing outside of ATL and can that number grow? It already is. Project that forward.
21.5% is misleading. 2% YOY increase in total compensation is more accurate. Rates, Rates, Rates we get it.
Worst case in June 302 green slips are lost? Your numbers. What is that in dollars the FOs are not getting? That also will grow. Its a pay concession that impacts only FOs.