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Old 07-04-2015 | 06:13 AM
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GrapeNuts
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Originally Posted by Frip
Really...???

I suppose 6 years of active current service doesn't either.

Or the actual position on the actual list that the Eagle Flows already own.

(That should sound familiar...)

Most of us get the whole NIC east west battle, but a lot of us outsiders are now gettin' a glimpse of some pretty ugly greedy looking aspirations from some on the west.

Pride goeth before a fall.
I understand your frustration and I deeply sympathize for the TWA pilots- it was unconscionable what APA did to you guys! I also recognize your length of service argument as well and can appreciate you displeasure of the west list. However, two points need to be made with regards to each seniority proposal:
1. Each list is constructed with prejudice.
2. The arbitrators will decide the final product after weighing arguments and considering witness testimony.

That said, my view regarding the third list pilots begins with the belief US Airways brings one pilot group to this merger. Sure, I acknowledge we have two subgroups fighting the order of a combined seniority list, however the AAPSIC and the west pilots both tacitly agree the conflict between east and west does not involve third list pilots as evidenced by the initial proposals (which may change, I acknowledge that). Assuming the third list placement on the AAPSIC doesn't change with their resubmission, it can be inferred both groups agree the third list pilots will be placed behind the LUS (pre-2005) and AWA. Better placement of the third list pilots helps for better placement of all LUS pilots in general. As I mentioned above, the third list pilot group is symbolic of a vibrant, growing entity in contrast to AA. I mostly agree the west proposal correctly places the third list pilots where they rightfully should be- perhaps the 2007-08 hires should be placed even higher up (I don't know, and that's for the arbitrators to decide.). The west proposal, though, does not consider and should not consider the injustices brought upon the TWA crowd. It is not the responsibility nor the proper obligation of our third list pilots to shoulder that burden. In four years they will be seeing upgrades to group 2 captain positions and that was adopted into the west proposal. You can't argue career expectations for wide body flying and then turn around and ignore it for narrow body flying like the AAPSIC is (unwisely) attempting to do. That's how I see things anyway.
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