Originally Posted by
RegionalFO
Is the flow really 3-5 years at Pdt?
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If they execute the business plan as publicly announced; then yes it should be under 5 years. A 2 year upgrade would be realistic in that case also.
At Envoy the same situation is developing; again based on them following their public announcements.
Their projections at Envoy are for a 6 year flow to AA and a 2.5 year upgrade.
It's retirement driven flow and added attrition from those going to other legacies or LCC that will keep the upgrades moving; while other places will only have the ones moving on through front doors. Everybody will have people leaving via traditional street hires; but PDT and ENY will have more leaving by flow on top of the traditional route.
Right now Envoy is still fighting with management over work rules; we have some old managers who just haven't realized yet how valuable a commodity a pilot is becoming and they're digging in their heels making life tough while we are renegotiating new reserve work rules and other changes.
PDT and ENY both have great commuter rules and you get hotels in base. At ENY we get in base hotels anytime you were scheduled to overnight. We get hotels before/after trips if needed, and before/after critical coverage OT as well. I think PDT's is very similar to ours too.
You'll hear a lot of complaining from current and former Eagles... Just remember that it's all relative. Yes, compared to our old pay, rules and bas choices the new Envoy blows chunks. However, go compare it to the rest of the industry and we're still better than a lot of places. But it is a shadow of its former self. Work rules can be fixed and are being fixed.
PDT & ENY are good choices, especially if you live in or near a base. PSA will likely eventually get an improved actual flow instead of interviews, so if you're near their base that's an option too.
All the regionals suck; having solid flow as an insurance policy is not a bad thing to have. Pilots have choices nowadays. Corporate, part 91, overseas to name but a few. The regional model is broken and we are all living through its evolution.