Originally Posted by
rickair7777
Te FAA is monitoring regardless. Under these circumstances the company needs to monitor as well.
Umm the FAA is on the ASAP committee and they get a vote? They get to see what people submit as asap reports and have gotten to point where they are no longer willing to grant blanket immunity.
Hypothetical example:
1) Honest mistake: Got distracted (possibly for understandable reasons) and got too slow to power out of it.
2) Cover up: Didn't request lower, milked it down a few hundred feet (in RVSM) trying to power out eventually got shaker maybe pusher
Can't say as I blame the FAA for having lost all tolerance for 2).
Look, telling pilots on a letter they will be strictly monitored by occ is not the way to instill a just culture. Like I said, I wasn't talking about the FAA in that regard.
As for the ASAP, I understand the FAA is on the ERC. But if someone stalls and then recovers, I don't see how they can deny entry into the program. If all these incidents are as you described on your example, then that's different.
Again, I'm talking about a culture that goes back to before all these safety programs such as ASAP. One in which pilots just stayed silent for fear of repercussions. When management tells pilots they will be strictly monitored for these new policies, it degrades overall safety. Do they tell pilots they will strictly monitor all the other policy changes? If not, then it's a shift in safety culture. And it's not good. It's insidious and very hard to overcome.