Our TA rates do exceed their rates, barely. Their "retirement" is one of their few week areas, they get a match of 9.3 percent on their 401K, and about 9.5 percent profit sharing. Where they far exceed us Army is with their rigs, i.e. vacation paid around six, and that is in addition to trips touching dropped. Like I said, at the end of the day, rates are only a part of the overall equation. The W2 is the equalizer, and their W2 is superior to ours.