Originally Posted by
Tuck
This seems difficult to believe. That would equate to 8 Trips per day on average - that means that some are starting out with much higher than 8. Everyone I've talked to at SWA says you typically start out lower than that and then trader your way into trips that pay 8 per day and that's around the high end without any revisions.
Many SWA pilots have this inferiority complex - they always have to boast about their contract and it seems they stretch the truth quite a bit. When I J/S with guys in the cockpit they always show me their schedule and tell me what they fly - because it's on paper right in front of you. On these boards....not so much. Would love to see the Company bid pack or whatever it's called that shows 97 trips and 18 days off as the AVERAGE for August.
There is no doubt that SWA pay is less than DAL - yes you probably can work more at SWA (key word WORK) and make more but your bid line will almost certainly pay less when you figure in benefits which you absolutely must on any pilot contract. 9.3% DC plan is pretty poor - around JB standards I think.
Tuck,
No "inferiority complex" here. I don't think any of the SWA pilots posting on APC "boast" or "stretch the truth quite a bit" when sharing information on our work rules and pay rates.
Numbers don't lie Tuck. Here are my numbers for the
first 6 months of the year as a 4th year F/O:
TFP flown: 861.73
Days flying: 93
Hours: 431 hrs 49 min (does NOT include deadhead time)
Pay: $104.03 x 861.73 TFP x 1.093(401K match) + 3K per diem =
$100,982.83.
That total does NOT include profit sharing which should be pretty big this year. Last year was 9.6% expecting north of 12% this year.
So, call it boasting or stretching the truth or whatever you like but the
FACT is that I as a 4th year F/O living in domicile will do well over 200K total compensation this year if I count profit sharing. Oh and by the way, as a 4th year FO I rarely can "win" premium pay (1.5X) trips. So the great majority of my flying was at straight pay.
Tuck, I truly hope that Delta and all the other pilots get what they want in their respective contracts but seeing as how many Legacy pilots like to compare their pay, work rules, vacation, etc to SWA I'm happy to provide the data so they can maybe get better pay, work rules and vacation at their airline. It only helps me in the long run if other airline pilots get better contracts. Cheers,
Thunder1
