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Old 07-14-2015 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
AA Mandatory Retirements
Year, American Airlines, US Airways, Combined Yearly Total
2015 112 173 285
2016 135 206 341
2017 190 234 424
2018 300 262 562
2019 418 274 692
2020 535 261 796
2021 580 250 830
Subtotal by 2021 2270 1660 3930
2022 647 223 870
2023 704 299 1003
2024 717 239 956

Total During ENY CBA 4338 2421 6759

Half of 3,930 in 2021 is 1,965 which is about 115 more than are on our list that will opt to flow over. That is under 6 years.


I don't like the way they treat our pilots currently any more than the next guy; but if you want to attack them, and I hope you continue to do so; then pick a fight that your argument is suported by the data, not one where the data supports their claims.

Their treatment of our pilots is currently a serious problem, and they need to fix it swiftly.
This is the problem with salesmen like Cujo; They represent and cling to selective data to support their goals. Sure, based strictly on those numbers, it is theoretically possible for all present Envoy pilots to flow to AA. However, it is misguided assumption to believe that the number of retirements at AA translates to an equal number of Envoy pilots flowing to AA. Similar representations were made years ago with Letter 3 and they never panned out, but since Cujo was nowhere to be found on Eagle (Envoy) property then and CLEARLY is no student of history, it's easy for him to cherry pick selective claims by others and imply they are certainties and thus as a result of that, "it's a good time to be an Envoy pilot". The poor treatment of Envoy pilots has been going on for many months, if not years, yet just weeks ago, Cujo was blowing his "hear ye, hear ye, all come to Envoy horn".

Parker is already deferring deliveries and talking capacity reduction (which have gutted Envoy's chances of exercising most of their E-175 options, virtually ALL of which captains seats on the 40 aircraft they will get (200 captains) will be claimed by lifers with years to go before retirement). PBS at AA will require up to 15% less pilots to fly the same block hours (up to 2000 pilots, but probably less), up to a couple of hundred of the almost 1000 furloughees will likely accept recall (still a small percentage), all of which will dramatically slow the flow stream. Likely consolidation of regionals has strong potential to dilute the present Envoy flow due to inclusion of another carriers pilots in any merger/acquisition/consolidation scenario and that's just AA specific issues. Any number of geopolitical or economic outside factors could force stagnation or contraction of legacy carriers at any time and is one variable that is now overdue in this historically cyclical industry.

Yes, just take the flip-flop chameleons claims at face value and don't scratch the vaneer to see how strong it is. It's ironic that he has such a philosophy in that it is the exact foundation of why Envoy pilots have allowed themselves to be led down so many primrose paths over the decades. You'd think succeeding generations would learn form the past, but in fact, they not only ignore it, they mock it. The future here seems all but certain considering the parade of present Envoy pilots which is akin to the marching band in Animal House that is led up a dead end alley by the biggest moron of all the characters in the film with Cujo as the baton twirler in the front of the band.

He's been a notoriously well known flip-flop chameleon able to change his colors as his background changes all in the hope it continues to feed his ego-driven compulsion to be seen as a yoda-esqe source of industry and Envoy/AA wisdom. Most recently, he implies it is HE that is the source of what he calls the regionals new foundation and that is "staffing is the new currency". All one has to do is go back 12 months or so and remember his Mason days as yet another color of the chameleon. Anyone who wants to join this marching band down their apparently present primrose path is certainly free to do so, but again, unless you have tangible positive reasons for considering Envoy (which seem few right now), waiting awhile to see just what becomes of this apparent developing black hole would be my recommendation.
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