Originally Posted by Sink r8

Yes, I can see how that sounds condescending. My apologies. I don't think this was an ignorant vote. I think ALPA made a mistake telling people to vote unemotionally, because a lot of people were upset, and tired of hearing it. People ARE emotional when the company thinks so little of them, and so much of shareholders and executives, and they should be.

What I was alluding to is that the no sales-job was so effective at modifying the "facts", that almost everyone I spoke with didn't have the pay rates/PS conversion correct. Insofar as the NC sometimes sounded as though they were double-counting the pay and PS, a lot of the no-guys were saying that PS had been taken out. "Seldom" was not the right way to put it. I ran into smart guys that got the math correct, and also a lot of guys that didn't have even the basic payrate/PS dialed-in.