Originally Posted by
Sink r8
Yes, I can see how that sounds condescending. My apologies. I don't think this was an ignorant vote. I think ALPA made a mistake telling people to vote unemotionally, because a lot of people were upset, and tired of hearing it. People ARE emotional when the company thinks so little of them, and so much of shareholders and executives, and they should be.
You're still not getting it Sink r8. You keep trying this subtle campaign to convince pilots that they made an emotional decision. That's the Harwood play. Insult pilots by calling them emotional in the hopes they'll make the "logical" decision by agreeing with the administration. It wasn't an emotional decision. It was a fact based decision. Yours and Donatelli's problem is that the facts got out. The only real anger has been when we realized that our own union lied to us. That's been emotional for many because they thought DALPA had their best interests at heart.
Originally Posted by
Sink r8
What I was alluding to is that the no sales-job was so effective at modifying the "facts", that almost everyone I spoke with didn't have the pay rates/PS conversion correct.
Well that apology sure didn't last long. There wasn't a NO sales job. There was a get out the facts campaign. Good and bad facts. The facts weren't modified. The pay rates/PS conversion formula had NOTHING to do with this. It was the concessions.
You haven't apologized at all. You're still claiming that we voted NO while not knowing what was in it the TA.
Originally Posted by
Sink r8
Insofar as the NC sometimes sounded as though they were double-counting the pay and PS, a lot of the no-guys were saying that PS had been taken out. "Seldom" was not the right way to put it. I ran into smart guys that got the math correct, and also a lot of guys that didn't have even the basic payrate/PS dialed-in.
Believe it or not, I've been trying to save you from yourself Sink but you just won't listen. You keep digging and making it worse for yourself. Your too young to be completely destroying your credibility.
Carl