Purpledriver, not to be rude here but do you know what you(we) are voting on? This is not a LOA to determine whether or not we do this flying or someone else does. The flying will be done with or without this LOA. The only differences will be no enhanced CBA option and no STV. The current CBA already has a provision to approve longer than 2hr ground transport via the SIG, so you can bet the 3hr ride HKG-CAN would be approved even without this LOA. While it is correct to say that there are scope provisions to allow them to use other carriers, they are unchanged by this LOA. From what I understand UPS' contract is setup differently than ours in this area setting up the scenario that you spoke of(someone correct me if I'm wrong here). Not telling you which way to vote, but why frame this vote as something other than what it is?