Originally Posted by
404yxl
The old rules limited you to 30 flight hours in 7, but with no flight duty hour limits. You could work over 80 fight duty hours in the previous 168 hours under the old rules, while the new rules limit you to 60 flight duty hours in the previous 168 hours.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you want to do back to the old rules where we could work more than 60 flight duty hours in the previous 7 days?
The old rules allowed you to fly 90 hours in the last 21 days of the month and 30 hours in the first 7 days of the following month, effectively allowing 120 hours in the last 28 days. The current rules limit it to 100 hours in any 28 day period.
What is happening is a PBS system will drop a high block time 4-day, followed by a 3 day with a 30 hour layover, followed by another 4-day and it will be legal. Throw in 12 hours off between the trips and that is a horrible 11 day domestic rotation that a company could never have built under the old rules.
You could have worked 11 straight days of domestic flying with no days off under the old rules. All they required was a 24 hour layover every 7 days. I remember pilots working the last 6 days of the month and the first 6 days of the next month. All legal because of 24 hour layovers.
The old rules allowed you to fly 13 hours of block in one duty period. The current rules cap that at a hard 9 hours max. We use to have good to start, good to finish under the old rules.
If you are fatigued from flying SLC-ORD-SLC-SFO, shouldn't you be calling in fatigued?
You still have to sign the fit for duty statement on each leg? If you don't feel comfortable that you are fit for duty for an extension, why are you signing the fit for duty statement?
From what I can see with 117, most of your concerns are addressed in its rules.
Dude...Did you ever work under the old rules?
I just did three trips backed up that would not have been allowed under the old rules due to the 30 in 7 block hour rule which was a rolling 7 day rule. Under the old rules I guess you could have done more than 7 with a 24 hour layover if you were flying less than 4 hours per day, but at every airline (both regional, lcc, and mainline) I've ever worked, block times always limited you due to the 30 in 7 rule.
Under the old rules you got a day off because of the 30 in 7 block hour rule NOT the 24 hours off rule.
Now there is no block hour rule so they can use the 30 hour layover to keep you going mulitiple days in a row where they could not before because of the block hour rule....even during the transition period.
You are one of the guys arguing based on the paper rules, not the real world where airlines are figuring out how to make it work.