Originally Posted by
Macdacpilot
If you don't extend 30 minutes beyond what comes out on the printer, then you need to file a FSAP. That's my point, it's jacked up, but true. I see what you are saying about the company in regard to pay, but according to ALPA the 30 minute deal is actually FAA driven. And, in this regard the FSAP is safety related...but it also has pay implications. The FSAP was accepted in my case and no pay lost.
Sorry, I wasn't jumping on you. I had a perfectly good unused self-righteous speech saved up and I just decided to use it.
The 30-minute extension approval is the FAA's ruling. An FSAP is not required by the FAA. We've done nothing wrong and they don't need to be told something they already know. But it is required by the company in order get paid. If they want safety data points for refusals of less than 30 minutes that's simple to pull from scheduling records, they don't need our FSAPs for it. It's harassment pure and simple (perhaps because the FAA ruling came in response to a question from John McFadden, Captain,
United Airlines. https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf)
I've refused the extensions and not filed FSAPs because there weren't pay issues. No one cared. Just out of curiosity though, next time I refuse an extension I will file an FSAP that simply says I was not fatigued but simply chose not to continue working past the FAR 117 table. Will be interesting to see if they respond any differently than me saying I was fatigued.