Originally Posted by
FlameNSky
So that is your argument? Things can change. In that case, I'd like to offer another ridiculous argument that the physical laws governing lift may also cease to exist and THEN WE'LL ALL BE OUT OF A JOB! Of course things can change. That would be the case at any carrier in any situation.
Your comprehension skills appear marginal. I have no clue where you think I said anything remotely implying you'll al be out of a job. If you were also a more attentive student to history both in the context of this industry and at AAG, you'd see a pattern.
Since you've demonstrated poor ability in both areas, I'm sure my next points will sail over you as well.
Originally Posted by
FlameNSky
Given that fact that the title of this threat is about 100% of the newhires at AA will come from the wholly owned carriers. The point of Cujo's arguments is that as it becomes harder to attract pilots to envoy, the company will use new equipment (growth) and flow (movement and long term career progression) as an incentive to attract new blood to their regional carriers. AA can offer whatever it needs to in order to keep the newhires coming that the likes of SKW, RAH, XJet etc cannot.
But however, if other legacies see that strategy succeeding, you can be sure they'll neuter it with similar deals of their own. IF poaching becomes successful and a threat, it will be stopped. Considering that flow or no flow, there are simply a fraction of the necessary regional new-hires available from 'street' sources, without the ability to poach, all this strategy will do is turn Envoy into an airline version of the mythical Kookamora bird (a bird that flies in tighter and tighter circles until it flies up its own a$$ and disappears).
Envoy cannot sustain itself by flowing itself into non-existence.
Originally Posted by FlameNSky1960968
So yes, things can change but I think they will only change for the better for a regional carriers whose parent company has everything to gain by changing things in their favor. The CEO of that company having already stated that they will do just that, helps as well. In fact, in his words, "The quickest way to get to AA will be through envoy." While I will concede that they could better implement this program, the fact remains that envoy have consistently flowed envoy pilots over to AA for the last few years. In the last 24 months, that flow has gone from 20+ year envoy pilots, to currently at 16 year pilots, with it speculated to be at 12 years by the end of next year. If this trend continues, one can easily calculate how long it will take for a new hire today to flow. I don't agree with the current projections by the Director of Flight Ops to be at 6 years, I do believe that if he really wants that to be the case, he can MAKE that happen. (That is where being wholly owned will help, if they need to, they can flow more pilots to make it more of an incentive)
Nice sales pitch, BTW. You'll certainly get a thumbs up from the New York Envoy ice cream vendor here. I believe this weeks flavor is
Flow-thru 'n Cream ..........or was it
RJ Mocha Almond ?
For all these grandiose beliefs to come to fruition, Envoy will need a steady 30+ pilots not just this month, but each and every month for years. Considering the almost certain shutdown of poaching should that become a threat and the severe absence of necessary pilots in the street-hire pipeline for regionals, it will simply become a situation of jockying assets, plugging holes and schmoozing chumps. AAG wants to run through the 824 by a set time and is doing what they need to now, among other things. Once that arbitration issue is no longer applicable, the (and remember this phrase) "landscape will change".
