Originally Posted by
Shiner
His point is, and has been all along, that the AA flow program won't work because once it does, it will be countered by Delta and United. My point is that the AA flow working, the Delta retention program, and United giving flying to quality regionals, are not mutually exclusive. They can all work simultaneously, and currently are.
Noooo..........my point was and has been all along that IF AA's flow program becomes successful AND it threatens the other legacies regionals and thus feed, they will counter with measures to protect that feed, including similar retention programs like flow-thru's. That threat could involve poaching their present pilots thus weakening their regional networks or sopping up what little new-hires are available. FIRST though, I think they need to see a concern from both their end and demonstration that AA's flow program(s) are responsible.
So far, neither litmus has occurred. Envoy supposedly got 25 or so pilots recently, but can they do that month after month for a year or so ? Are they stripping large numbers of regional pilots from UAL or DAL regionals ?
So far no, and no.
Originally Posted by
Shiner
A recent Union conference call stated that they ran the numbers on managements 2.5/6 claim and they found that the numbers work if Envoy averages 15 new hires per month. This info was stated by the DFW Reps who are far from in management's corner. Considering Envoy was able to double that last month, I'd say the flow is working just fine.
I understand your intoxication with recent short-term numbers as you've been doing Envoy management Kool-Aid shooters for several years now and are hooked, but I think you're counting your chickens WAY too early. Besides, even with the above recent numbers that haven't proven themselves long-term, it is NOT directly effecting either United's or Delta's regional ops.