well SWA TA is out and it looks like their negotiating committee did the same thing delta's committee did. What is it with negotiating committees agreeing with management to send out a contract with concessions in it? Is this the new standard union pilots will have to accept? The SWA pilots are not discussing will it fail they are talking about by how much it will fail by and they are hoping greater than the 87% no vote their flt attendance just turned down their TA with to send a crystal clear message how far off management is to what is acceptable for their next contract. I hope Spirit's NC is not wasting our time like we have seen at the legacy airlines.