Not many here have said Envoy is ALL bad and it's not. That's just the misguided interpretations of some. Personally, my points have been that the AA flow and thus upgrade projections are virtually certain to be overly optimistic and being critical of those overtly OVER-selling a product here based on its known quality. I think this unfortunately enrages a few who likely were fed too much Ritalin as children and they become overtly hostile resorting to personal attack.

It DOES appear the required hiring at Envoy is sagging and the deficit of needed future pilots is increasing. Envoy will effectively need 35/month each and every month to not fall behind unless they plan to lose very few pilots to carriers other then AA over the next 12-18 months and that is indeed a TALL order. Of course, Eaglelounge demonstrates all is not well at Envoy with much b****ing, arguing and union disputes. It belies and airline pilot group that is VERY dysfunctional and has been for many years, even decades with less and less to show for it each and every year.

It's a bad trend in the wrong direction and since nothing has really changed, it's difficult to see the present group of pilots breaking out of their turbulent thunderstorm (most of it self-imposed) into the clear blue sky followed by throngs of doves as Mason frequently implies. The only certainty I see is the abundance of future entertainment in both mirth and melodrama.