Originally Posted by
WakeWash
About 1200. Comparing the 3 WO flows is beyond pointless in my opinion. Right now they are where they each need to be to get rid of senior guys and staff the airlines accordingly. Once this is done I see them being pretty much the same across the board. That way they keep the 3 pretty equal and are about to staff about the same. My opinion is this will happen unless one airline needs more staffing. Then if bonuses, etc aren't offered they will adjust the flow accordingly to make it "appeal" to new hires. Like they are doing right now with envoy and PSA. We can all be honest here, envoy new hires hired today aren't flowing in 6 years, but it looks good to throw out "projections" that suggest that. Just like PSA advertising the flow doubles looks better than saying what is really happening with it. We've been here long enough to recognize how AAG likes to play.
ENY
1984 total pilots
~300 who will retire here
~1650 who could flow
attrition over 6 years to other carriers, estimate 300 easy (could be much more)
So, we need to flow 1350 over 6 years for a new hire today to go to AA
50% flow (essentially) to 10-2011 DOH (majority of our list) with less than 300 on list after that. After that they flow at 35% of each class, no fewer than 15 each month.
600-800 projected new hires at AA next year
300 ENY Pilots to flow
Retirements at AA pick up starting this year
Do the math at roughly 300 a year flowing to AA
Somebody getting hired at Envoy today will have the entire list dumping out above them very swiftly now that the hiring really begins to take off.
Look at the hiring this year from other major carriers.
It's starting !!
2,879 Pilots hired THIS year at real jobs.
Alaska Airlines
Hired 20 pilots in September and
215 year-to-date. Verified by FAPA on 10 OCT 2015
American Airlines
Will continue to hire into 2015. Hired
254 year-to-date. Verified by FAPA on 21 OCT 2015
Delta Air Lines
Hired 22 pilots in September and
813 year-to-date. Verified by FAPA on 19 OCT 2015
FedEx
Hired 12 pilots in September and
99 year-to-date. Verified by FAPA on 19 OCT 2015
JetBlue
Hired 5 pilots in September and
193 year-to-date. Verified by FAPA on 10 OCT 2015
Southwest Airlines
Hired approximately 174 year-to-date. Expects to hire
348 during 2015. Verified by FAPA on 21 OCT 2015
Spirit Airlines
Hired 28 pilots in September and
226 year-to-date. Verified by FAPA on 10 OCT 2015
United Airlines
Hired 66 pilots in September and
646 year-to-date. Verified by FAPA on 19 OCT 2015
UPS
Hired 7 pilots in September and
85 year-to-date. Sending pilot recruiters to FAPA.aero Pilot Career Conference & Job Fair in Orlando on November 20th. Verified by FAPA on 21 OCT 2015