Originally Posted by
RockyBoy
You and I have went down this road before and you are wrong.
It is not a contract issue. 117 did away with the 30 block hour limit in 7 days and replaced it with a 30 hour rest in 168 hour rolling period. After our last go around I don't think you really worked for an airline pre 117 because anyone who did knows 117 made it WAY easier for companies to schedule us for consecutive days in a row. It has NOTHING to do with the required break in duty, but the 30 hour block limit in 7 days disappearing.
You're talking about two different things here. 30 hours in 7 replaced 24 hours in 7. 30 hours of block in 7 days was replaced with a 60 hours of flight duty in 7 days.
You were arguing that pre-117 was better because you were guaranteed a day off in base. That was never the case. It only guaranteed 24 hours free from duty. 117 requires more, 30 hours of rest, so I don't see your gripe with that issue. I'll ask you again, didn't 12 day trips exist pre-117?
While 117 did eliminate the 30 hours of block hours in 7 days, it gave us 60 hours of flight duty limit in 7 days. The old rules could have allowed 80+ hours of flight duty in 7 days.
I also worked 121 pre-117 and I have had a lot more time at home and more rest during trips than pre-117.
Originally Posted by
hammer189
I remember the old 24 hrs off had to be in BASE but now it's 30 hrs off anywhere, even on a layover. This was not an improvement.
Originally Posted by
sailingfun
That's not correct. It was 24 hours off. Did not matter where. The big difference from a domestic standpoint was you could not exceed 30 block hours in 7 days. That tended to spread domestic hours around more.
Originally Posted by
RockyBoy
Exactly. The fact that 404yxl jumps in every time we bring this up and tells us we are crazy and 117 is way better tells me he never worked under the old rules and ran into the 30 in 7 violation. Every regional pilot in the world had that at least a couple times a month pre 117.
I didn't mention anything about you being crazy. As for you agreeing with Sailing, he stated the same thing I was, there was no requirement for 24 hours off in base pre-117. Your earlier statement was getting on the pre-117 rules guaranteeing you a day off in base every 7 days and I just corrected you that it was 24 hours free from duty. Now you are talking about 30 hours of block in 7, which is a different issue. I don't disagree that went away, but we also had no limit on flight duty in the 7 days pre-117, and now we have a 60 hour limit.