Occupied with other things, so sorry for the delayed response TonyC

Silly me, and here I thought the CBA had a few provisions allowing FedEx to schedule us to exceed 8/24 in certain situations. Almost positive there was some minimal rest FedEx was contractually required to provide us for exceeding 8/24

12.C.6.b A pilot who exceeds 8 ABH in any consecutive 24 hour period shall be scheduled for a rest period of 17 hours prior to performing his next duty as an operating crew member. That rest period may be operationally reduced as necessary, consistent with FAR limitations.

(Any guesses at to the FAR limitations, here they are for easy access.
Normal Rest Requirements Crewmembers must during the 24 consecutive hours preceding the completion of any flight segment have: 121.471
(b). - 9 consecutive hours of rest for less than 8 hours of scheduled flight time.
- 10 consecutive hours of rest for 8 or more but less than 9 hours of scheduled flight time.
- 11 consecutive hours of rest for 9 or more hours of scheduled flight time.

• Reduced Rest Requirement 121.471
(c) - For less than 8 block hours rest may be to reduced to a minimum of 8 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 10 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.
- For 8 block hours but less than 9 block hours rest may be reduced to a minimum of 8 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 11 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.
- For 9 or more block hours rest may be reduced to a minimum of 9 hours if the flight crewmember is given a rest period of at least 12 hours that must begin no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest period.)

How many hotel rooms is the company required to provide for hub turns of 2+30 or less? I guess you’re implying that FedEx management will REDUCE the time available to sort the freight. A scheme to game this provision that the vast majority of us think is aimed at Indy (Oakland is a lesser player) With that expectation, I don’t understand why FedEx hasn’t simply reduced the Hub turn times to already eliminate Hotel Hub turn rooms altogether. Haven’t looked at the Paris Sort, how many Hotel Hub turn rooms does the company currently provide there.


International Hotel changed, not GONE as you wrote, but different. Frustrating, and irritating that it now requires FC approval to use w/ the pre-TA limits. But I’m equally sure that inventive pilots will find a way to delay departure\arrive early to mitigate the impact of this change. And what percentage of the crew force qualifies as the “some people supposedly abusing it” that you wrote of.

International Alert Calls. The TA verbiage is changed to reflect the guidance in the FOM. Thought the no alert calls for Canada? Mexico? Caribbean? had been in existence for quite awhile. (Still had a bookmarked version of FOM 52, October 2013 so not quite sure how long that No Alert Call for some destinations has been in effect, but something that predated the TA vote by 2 years surely can’t make the TA concessionary. Don’t know how many people were holding CRS feet to the contractual fire for Alert calls to those destinations, know I sure had the impression they weren’t a player for years. Don’t know how well they’re working either, expect they’re kinda like the BS Wakeup calls you get when your flights towards the beginning of the sort departure window)

Tel Aviv? Domestic limits? Something that impacts a small percentage of pilots makes this a concessionary contract? Haven't looked into it in great deal. Thought it was aimed at the CGN base, what about it makes it concessionary for every Intl flying pilot here?

My bad on combining the B plan bump, still I don’t think an immediate 10% bump when I would have preferred an 11-14% bump doesn’t mean it’s a concessionary pay raise. Well, unless you use Washington DC math. That’s when a 10% raise is actually a 3% pay cut.

Some people think any concession is a concessionary contract. IMO-a concessionary contract is doing the same or more work for less pay. Not simply being paid less than I’d like or hoped to achieve.