Originally Posted by
Cujo664
Just wait and see if my projections don't pan out. With the amount of retirements happening, unless somebody discovers the fountain of youth, I expect the ENTIRE current Envoy list to be at AA in 6 years.
Should pilots come to Envoy based on what YOU expect to happen ?
They'd have to be colossal saps to do something like that. BTW, I recall that exact phrase about the "fountain of youth" on EL, but from Mason, not you. Perhaps you two ARE the same ? After all, doesn't Mason has a history of multiple personalities ?
Once again, it must be emphasized that the number of pilots who retire at AA does not necessarily equal the number of new pilots needed and thus a specific direct impact on future flows. I know it gives a warm and fuzzy to those cold and frazzled though.
Originally Posted by
Cujo664
The 2.5 year upgrade we have here is just a plus. Would you rather be a regional FO for 8 years somewhere else? Here, you'll be an FO for 2.5 or less and then flow to AA at the 6 year mark or less. At another regional you could very likely still be on the right seat when someone hired at Envoy on the same day is flowing to AA. We are already essentially American Airlines pilots from day one of hire at Envoy anyway. Also, why do you think that Envoy has such stringent hiring standards? Because we are hired as an AA pilot. That's why.
Ask yourself. What other regional out there has a 2.5 year upgrade and a 6 year flow to the largest major airline in the world?
It's a great time to be an Envoy pilot.
I read on EL that the company is planning 205 upgrades for 2016 (not yet awarded) as per RW on 11/4. How many F/O's are there at Envoy, 1000 ?
That means Envoy will have to upgrade 800 in the following 1.5 years from January 2017 to mid 2018 to meet the 2.5 year upgrade for an Envoy new-hire of today. That math doesn't add up to me, but then again, I don't work for CLR or drink Envoy Kool-Aid like a famished water buffalo.
Also, one MEC rep said no flows to AA for December and he'd be surprised if more then 20 go in January. That sounds like a very tepid start to the Envotopian conga line you and others are trumpeting here.
Caveat Emptor.