Originally Posted by
eaglefly
Should pilots come to Envoy based on what YOU expect to happen ?
They'd have to be colossal saps to do something like that. BTW, I recall that exact phrase about the "fountain of youth" on EL, but from Mason, not you. Perhaps you two ARE the same ? After all, doesn't Mason has a history of multiple personalities ?
Once again, it must be emphasized that the number of pilots who retire at AA does not necessarily equal the number of new pilots needed and thus a specific direct impact on future flows. I know it gives a warm and fuzzy to those cold and frazzled though.
I read on EL that the company is planning 205 upgrades for 2016 (not yet awarded) as per RW on 11/4. How many F/O's are there at Envoy, 1000 ?
That means Envoy will have to upgrade 800 in the following 1.5 years from January 2017 to mid 2018 to meet the 2.5 year upgrade for an Envoy new-hire of today. That math doesn't add up to me, but then again, I don't work for CLR or drink Envoy Kool-Aid like a famished water buffalo.
Also, one MEC rep said no flows to AA for December and he'd be surprised if more then 20 go in January. That sounds like a very tepid start to the Envotopian conga line you and others are trumpeting here.
Caveat Emptor.
You just don't get it. I've explained this over and over. The math works. Yes, 205 upgrades next year and that puts us right in line with the 2.5 year upgrade OR less. Did you get that? Maybe LESS than 2.5. I think management was trying to be realistic with the 2.5 but quite frankly the numbers show it to be less than 2.5. Dare I say 2/4? It's certainly WELL within the realm of possibility.
The fact is AAG management has done exactly as they said they would. They are living up to their promises and that equals a bright future for Envoy pilots. Or should I say, AA pilots. Because in reality, that's what we already are.
Some on here have made it their life mission to tear down Envoy. I think it's jealousy. Why? Because Gojet, RAH, TransStates to name a few do not have the CAREER PROGRESSION an Envoy pilot has. That's something you wouldn't understand. It's like arguing with a child.