Originally Posted by
Skyvector
I shouldn't even respond...but here goes:
The upgrade times and flow are for NEW HIRES...PEOPLE HIRED TODAY. Not for people already on property.
Current Reserve time is based on what has happened at Envoy in THE PAST....specifically the past 2 years. 2013/2014. In any case, it is only in ORD that FOs are still on Reserve after 4 years.
Otherwise, many people bid Reserve ON PURPOSE for increased QOL and better schedules. Now why would people do that if Reserve was so horrible?
I know math is hard, but you are trying to reverse rationalize this any way you can. Anyone hired at Envoy from this year forward will NOT experience the same stagnation that people hired in the past have. Throw all the X numbers around you want. But there is no point...you guys want to argue about crap which has already been decided by American Airlines management and you think you know more than they do. I'm done. Enjoy your 5 flows/month over at PSA. Hope you can hold out for 20+ years.
But again, if Envoy has 2100+pilots (last figure I heard), thats's about 1050-1100 F/O's. If they upgrade 205-250 (depending on who you listen to) next year, that means 850-900 would have to upgrade (or leave) over the following 18 months (Jan. 2017-mid 2018) for a new-hire of today to make captain in 2.5 years. Sure, there will be some outside attrition moving things along a little, but the 18-month post 2016 upgrade schedule would have to be well over double and almost triple 2016's and more importantly Envoy would have to reel in an equal number of new-hires from 2017 thru mid 2018 (no attrition impact there) and that just looks to be way too optimistic. Remember, the flow is linked to that part of the equation and additionally, it requires AA to replace every retiring pilot with no contraction.
I just don't see these numbers and claims adding up despite how desperately some want them to.