Unfortunately this thread is the wrong place for truly accurate info even though it is titled Envoy Information.

There are four or five posters on here that have had their brains pickled by the Envoy management kool aid. If you state a couple of current facts they are on you like flies to **** preparing to kick you into a corner to give you a blanket party for so much as questioning the upgrade time or actual current flow situation.

Eaglefly posts accurate numbers and I agree with him that the 2.5 year upgrade Envoy is advertising for new hires doesn't hold water. 700 plus FO's would need to upgrade over the next 2 years for that 2.5 year upgrade to work. Yes, they are shrinking still but it does not change the fact that for a new hire to upgrade in 2.5 years, again, 700 plus FO's will need to upgrade.

The current upgrade is held by a 2007 hire making current upgrade time just over 8 years. I do agree that this will come down, maybe to 6 or so years but that may take a couple of years from now to reach.

The latest person to flow is a mid 1999 hire. So, currently a 15+ year flow. I agree that this number will come down as well, but it will take longer. Five years from now, you might see a 10 year flow or a bit less. One wild card is the ability to get new hire pilots in the door. Envoy has averaged hiring 125 per year over the past 3 years.

When Envoy reaches 1600 pilots, they should be done shrinking. They are around 400 from this number now which should allow the remaining 824 flowers to move over to AA without much issue. After that it gets dicey as Envoy MUST have new hires to allow the flow to move along. Unless you believe the very dense, militant Riddle kids on here who say otherwise.

Those are some actual numbers for you. Not just a bunch of hyperbole and projections. Take it as you will. Not saying Envoy is a terrible place to be, but like all regionals, the pay blows, QOL sucks and you are treated like garbage. I know. I spent years there and moved on to greener pastures.