Originally Posted by
emb145
Unfortunately this thread is the wrong place for truly accurate info even though it is titled Envoy Information.
There are four or five posters on here that have had their brains pickled by the Envoy management kool aid. If you state a couple of current facts they are on you like flies to **** preparing to kick you into a corner to give you a blanket party for so much as questioning the upgrade time or actual current flow situation.
Eaglefly posts accurate numbers and I agree with him that the 2.5 year upgrade Envoy is advertising for new hires doesn't hold water. 700 plus FO's would need to upgrade over the next 2 years for that 2.5 year upgrade to work. Yes, they are shrinking still but it does not change the fact that for a new hire to upgrade in 2.5 years, again, 700 plus FO's will need to upgrade.
The current upgrade is held by a 2007 hire making current upgrade time just over 8 years. I do agree that this will come down, maybe to 6 or so years but that may take a couple of years from now to reach.
The latest person to flow is a mid 1999 hire. So, currently a 15+ year flow. I agree that this number will come down as well, but it will take longer. Five years from now, you might see a 10 year flow or a bit less. One wild card is the ability to get new hire pilots in the door. Envoy has averaged hiring 125 per year over the past 3 years.
When Envoy reaches 1600 pilots, they should be done shrinking. They are around 400 from this number now which should allow the remaining 824 flowers to move over to AA without much issue. After that it gets dicey as Envoy MUST have new hires to allow the flow to move along. Unless you believe the very dense, militant Riddle kids on here who say otherwise.
Those are some actual numbers for you. Not just a bunch of hyperbole and projections. Take it as you will. Not saying Envoy is a terrible place to be, but like all regionals, the pay blows, QOL sucks and you are treated like garbage. I know. I spent years there and moved on to greener pastures.
Sorry...
Shrinking only 4 planes next year. How is that going to take us down to 1600 pilots. Btw...they meant "actives pilots", so we might be probably close to that number by about 100 or so.
Remember the "right size", was before RAH had the troubles they are having, PSA can't get enough new hires to fill all the planes. That's why the CRjs are staying longer, the TSA and XJet planes (30 145s) will come back to envoy.
I do agree about the 2.5. I believe it will come down to 6 next year. Then it will take about 1-2 years more to get done with the 2011 hires. So it should be around 4 years to get upgrade, if we can get the new hires. That will be seen if the flow starts moving the list and pilots realize that the movement is real. Until then, I understand why new guys are going to NWO regionals.