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Old 12-05-2015 | 09:20 PM
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Awesomebob
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
You haven't been truthful. Your posts have told two different stories, exactly opposite of one another.

Which is the truth?

Which regulation has the company violated? Cite it. You said you know it for a fact. Give us the fact. Stop tap dancing around it and tell the truth. What regulation has the company violated?

The regulation applies to all aviators. You don't appear to know the regulation, or what applies to you or the company. Money down: say what's been violated.



Which aircraft prohibits a passenger in a pilot seat, per the TCDS or AFM?

No such thing has been identified by the original poster. Is he going to submit now that he's not allowed to sit in the right seat based on a type certificate limitation or aircraft limitation as spelled out in the aircraft flight manual?

You state that the company is operating contrary to the regulation. Cite it. Then demonstrate how the company is in violation, based on the information given thus far.

Would it be 14 CFR 135.113, Passenger Occupancy of a Pilot Seat? Doesn't apply unless the aircraft has a passenger configuration of more than eight.

§135.113 Passenger occupancy of pilot seat.
No certificate holder may operate an aircraft type certificated after October 15, 1971, that has a passenger seating configuration, excluding any pilot seat, of more than eight seats if any person other than the pilot in command, a second in command, a company check airman, or an authorized representative of the Administrator, the National Transportation Safety Board, or the United States Postal Service occupies a pilot seat.

Would it be 135.115, Manipulation of Flight Controls? The original poster hasn't stated that he's manipulating the flight controls. He's cited that the company has asked him to load baggage and fuel the aircraft, neither of which are manipulation of the flight controls. He's since revised his story, again, and now states that he does "full SIC duties," though he doesn't specify what they are. He's made clear in prior posts that he's a passenger in a uniform, and listed that way. Which part of 135.115 does loading baggage or fueling violate? Holding or even reading a checklist? How about if he gives a running commentary on the Grand Canyon to the other passengers, or does a stand-up routine?

§135.115 Manipulation of controls.
No pilot in command may allow any person to manipulate the flight controls of an aircraft during flight conducted under this part, nor may any person manipulate the controls during such flight unless that person is—

(a) A pilot employed by the certificate holder and qualified in the aircraft; or

(b) An authorized safety representative of the Administrator who has the permission of the pilot in command, is qualified in the aircraft, and is checking flight operations.


The fact is that he's a three hundred hour pilot making a lot of noise about nothing, according to his posts thus far. It may not be so much a question about this "professional" needing to elsewhere, as the employer needing to lose at least one employee.
They are using us as SICs, without training us to be SICs. From what I understand, that is illegal. That's the issue.

Besides that, I don't appreciate your tone. Its not professional. You keep attacking me with these unfounded, childish remarks about me being a 387 hour pilot. Now you suggest I be fired for raising a concern of mine and asking for advice from more experienced people? You are absolutely redicoulous.

And what "noise" am I raising? I have not approached the company at all and won't until I am prepared. That's why I'm here asking, not in front of my CEO.

Now put the FAR\AIM down and relax. Maybe go get a beer if you're not gonna be flying anytime soon.
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