Originally Posted by
FlameNSky
Sorry, no group conspiracy. I do find your paranoia amusing though. Are you really so beaten down that you find it hard to believe that people can actually be happy at envoy? Anyway, whatever. The only person who is claiming iron clad assurance in envoy's upgrade time is you in an attempt to discredit the whole flow program. Its easier to deal with an adversary when they are an extremist. (which is why I find you so fun to deal with)
The only assurance I have ever affirmed is that AA pilots have to retire, AA will have to replace them, and envoy pilots will get 50% of those new hire spots. Based on current ages of those pilots and AA's hiring projections, every envoy pilot on the seniority list today will flow in about 6 years. I have never affirmed any guarantee about upgrades at envoy. But its a lot harder to radicalize me that way, isn't it. It isn't for me or you to decide for AA flow program is the wave of the future or not. It Parker's cheapest alternative to staffing his regionals. Period. That is why I am confident that HE will MAKE it work. Whatever it takes, because it will still be cheaper than paying his regional pilots a decent wage. Parker has already discussed and has been implementing his plan for addressing his staffing shortages at all his regionals (not just envoy). Beyond his diversification of feed, they are slowing the retirement of the S80 and adding more A320s to the fleet. Not stopping the flow, adding mainline aircraft. Which still works out for envoy pilots because as AA adds more aircraft, they will hire more pilots and we get half.
I don't get to decide if AA flow programs are the wave of the future. Parker seems to think so, and not to bust your bubble, his opinion matters more than yours in these matters. Delta with Endeavor, JetBlue with ExpressJet and United with Commutair seem to agree with Doug. And as much as you like to elude that if a pilot goes to an airline with a flow have locked themselves in for life, envoy pilots can still apply and interview for all the other airlines just like everyone else.
Claim whatever you wish, but I think any claims of individualism are a bunch of baloney. Several of your chums almost always arrive in short order once notified the dreaded eaglefly or other "haters" are on the prowl spewing undesirable opinions about Envoy contrary to your goals. You're here virtually daily, throughout the day and rarely miss an opportunity to make the big sell. Your latest example is right over on the "Envoy vs. Endevour" thread where you make another fine pitch and even include a link in the hope of luring others to Envoy. Hey, that's fine and if I had a problem with that, I'd make a post there saying so, but I don't and didn't, but it is yet another flawless demonstration of EXACTLY why you are on these forums doing what you're doing. I simply offer another opinion of what I think Envoy's most likely future is based on the past and present indicators and not facades or subterfuges and that obviously grinds your gears. I also just question the highly questionable when it comes to dubious claims of X or Y.
The rest of the blather above about me somehow thinking I decide what the future for Envoy is instead of Parker is as laughable, predictable, inapplicable and irrelevant as is the claim I think NO ONE is happy at Envoy, which I've never implied nor stated. You and your email/PM/cubicle chums can knock yourselves silly and twist yourselves into new shapes selling and making your own claims about Envoy's future and some of us will take positions of disagreement. Being this is clearly a paying job or assigned task to you, might I suggest you try not to get so emotional ?
