Old 12-24-2015, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback View Post
1) Does the college degree you receive impact airline hiring decisions? I heard getting a degree is just proof that you can make a commitment to airlines, is this true?


1. Get your degree. In anything. As part of a backup plan, or second job interest while working as a pilot, is the best plan.


2) Do well know aviation colleges such as Embry Riddle influences hiring decisions?



2. No. It shows long term aviation interest but by the time you get hired by a major it's a tiny part of your overall resume.


-Follow up to #2: If you went to Embry Riddle, can you tell me which one you went to (Daytona Beach or Prescott) and your overall impression and experience in college? Also, if you went to Embry Riddle Prescott, where was the airport you trained out of?



3. DAB. Visited Prescott. Small campus. Small town. Small airport. It's about five miles north of town.

3) Could you go through your typical schedule on a work day? (Hours in advance you prepare, get to the airport, preflight check, and flight.)



3. I try to get to the parking lot two hours before departure. That's one hour before sign-in. Gives a bit of pad for traffic, etc. If it's a early departure I reduce the pad because traffic problems are low risk at 0500-0600.

4) Layovers constantly allude me; what is a typical overnight stay like? do you have time to visit and travel around and how long is a normal layover (Overnighters and not-overnighters?) Do you pay for your housing or hotel on a layover or is that based on your airliner? Is the hotel usually descent? How would an international layover differ from a regional layover?


4. Domestically there's probably three general types of layovers - min time which normally involves a quick bite and sleep, or sleep and a quick bite the next morning. If you have a longer than min time layover you'll have time on the arrival day, or departure day, to do stuff. Tourist stuff, shopping, exercise, visit friends/family, work on projects, schoolwork, second job, military paperwork, union work, are all common events.



With w/b flying layovers in foreign cities, especially Europe, involves tourist stuff. The reality is the down side is the 'international hangover', you'll be tired. On a Europe trip you tend to go to sleep about 0400 body time, take a 2-4 nap, and then get up and play tourist for 4-6 hrs. Dinner, drinks, back to sleep, and a 0100-0300 body time wake-up for the flight back. So Europe is cool but there's a price to pay that comes with the cool factor.


5) Could you describe your experiences after college? How many years you had to work before you got a job as a pilot, how long it took you to become a captain, and how long it took to get hired by a legacy?


5. Started working full time as a pilot in my junior year. Took 5.5 years to graduate due to full time work conflict with part time college. This was before online and video streaming of courses. I was offered flying jobs before I had my commercial license - "keep doing well and we'll hire you." That happened twice before I started my junior year of college.

Time to Captain? At a corporation? A year(senior in college). Hired by a legacy? From when? First flying lessons? 8+ years. From first flying job? 7 years. From college degree? Four years. Time to Captain at a major? Six years.


6) My parents are really skeptical about me becoming a pilot and the initial investment we need to put forth for a profession that may soon die off. Has advancements in computer technology posed a risk for pilot jobs in the near future or is a transition to a fully automated cockpit a long way away?


6. Avg college cost is $80-100K in state. Community college then in state can reduce the cost. Increases income avg from $40,000/yr (HS degree) to about $65,000. $80,000 at ATP gets you a comm/inst/CFI in 180 days and you're in the job market racking up flight time (while doing college part time). Early on the financial rewards are tough but eventually you'll make more financial returns from your pilot education than the typical college graduate makes from their college investment instead of just getting a H.S. degree. Read the tread in this section about days worked and income earned. Keep in mind the typical guy spends a minimum of 6-8 years to get one with a major airline so when they're talking about year two pay it's really year 8-10 of their flying career. But these are the successful guys. Would you be happy if you're only making $60,000 flying a small turboprop around for a local company? And due to the retirement bubble coming the odds of being one of the successful guys is better now than it has been for the last 15 years.


7) What do you do while you are flying? Are you constantly sharp and checking your dashboard or is it ok to relax a little by listening to music?



7. Music is an option on long haul flights overwater. Instead of having to listen to the ATC radios you call them at specific points and times. Domestically it's impossible. Some guys have the headsets that stop the music when ATC talks but I have to think that must be brutal to listen too with the amount of radio chatter that's out there. So music listeners aren't common. You can relax but there's minor stuff going on. Guys take breaks and read something at times, do a crossword puzzle, Sudoku, or talk about their interests or hobbies. Lots of sharp coworkers so learning their areas of interest/expertise can be enlightening.

8) Why did you become a pilot and what pushed you to investigate a career in aviation?



8. Dad was a pilot. He flew gliders in the summer when I was a kid. Took me up. I enjoyed it. He mentioned glider summer course. I took it. Paralyzing fear on the first flight, learned to overcome it. Did nothing with flying for two years then took standard H.S. career tests. Guidance officer said "ever think of being a pilot?" Dad came home from a trip and I told him I was looking into Embry-Riddle. Surprised the heck out of him since he didn't know I knew ERAU existed. The more I got into it the more I enjoyed the profession, even at the bottom end starting out humping bags in the rain.

9) Do you regret becoming a pilot? If you were to go back in time, would you still want to become a pilot when you get older?



9. Is that a trick question? Regrets? No. I wouldn't trade my career for another one.

10) What were some of the biggest surprises (good and bad) that you encountered as an airline pilot?



10. You'll have to overcome fear. If you can't get past that you'll struggle. Spins, upside down, G's, winch tows, confidence maneuvers (70 degrees nose high and run the airplane out of airspeed until it stalls and flops around like a flounder duck), negative G's, diving at the ground (fighters), the speed of jets(yup, some guys quit, or go back to slower a/c), overheard patterns in the T-38(plane's chattering due to airflow separation....ie, it's talking to you), formation flight, etc, etc, are all momentums that give various people pause.



The upside? The quality of your coworkers. Lots of really good professionals you'll work with. Another upside - seeing the world from 35,000. The views can be amazing. Or seeing the world from 100'. Or 50'. Or 20'. OK, I'm lying, at 20' you're not taking in the view. You're watching your nose position because a slight dip could ruin your day, fast! And the views can be amazing, especially over sailboats. ;-)

11) What recommendations would you give to a 16 year old to help him become a pilot if he hasn't had any experience flying a plane?



11. Get airborne. It's different. And at times harder than people realize. If it was super easy everyone would do it. Niece was super achiever in H.S. and college. In shape. Went to UPT. Lost 10-15 lbs due to stress. "Hardest thing I've done in my life."



11. Since the longest time line event you're have to achieve prior to being a viable candidate for a major job is your total flight time, if I was joining the game today, I'd focus on getting my pilot licenses first. Take college courses in H.S. AP courses and test out and get college credit. Then go to pilot puppy mill school and get your licenses in 180 days. You'd be 19 yrs old, or even 18, and flying for a living. Then do college part time/online while working full time. Get on the time line of having your four year degree ASAP. Do 2-3 courses year-round and you'll achieve it in under 5 yrs. At 1500 hrs you'll get on with a regional airline. On this time line you'd be about 21 yrs old. With the right effort, timing, and luck, you could be looking at upgrading at the regional about the same time you get your college degree and 5,000 hrs TT. That professional resume, and the focus that you bring to yourself to achieve those goals, will position you to get hired in your mid to late 20's at a major airline due to the current retirement bubble.

Thanks you so much for your answers, you don't know how much these answers will help! Happy holidays and sorry that this post was so long!

Congratulations on your interest. Good luck on trying to align desires with the effort needed. Lots of people achieve their goals but there's also a lot of people who don't. Part of maturing is achieving goals realistic to your own personal drive and abilities.


Oh, don't be stupid. Drugs, DWI, etc, etc. It's just a bad idea. What many of us did growing up is just unacceptable in today's society. If you think it will be a good story at an interview go ahead and do it. If you don't think it will be a good story at an interview...stop. Wise instructor at AA always said "start at the hearing and work backwards."[/QUOTE]
Thanks Sliceback for another reply! I have some additional questions that I wrote down. The numbers correspond to your answers
#4 On layovers, what is the minimum time?

#7 Do you often run into people again on another flight? Can you put any input on who you want to fly with or is it up to chance?

#10 are confidence maneuvers a required part of flight training?
-I remember when I was flying into Barcelona over the summer and we flew over the port, it is something I will never forget. Also, when making landings in places like San Fransisco where the runway goes out into the bay, are those landings/takeoffs extra difficult and do they require any extra precaution?

#11 When I am flying before a regional airline, would I be working as a flight instructor?
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